Divisive Parents Want to Fence Off Section of Dolores Park for Brats

Ever since that silly playground opened a month ago, there seems to be a real effort to “clean up” the park.  It's been alleged, repeatedly, that SFPD has been trying to make gay sunbathers feel uncomfortable.  Then SFPD came after people who really need to pee.  And someone managed to rouse our city-sanctioned thugs into busting Cold Beer, Cold Water n' crew.

But that wasn't enough.  Oh no.  Now the neighborhood's population of persnickety parents wants to fence off the playground to keep their little 30 pound disasters shelthered from the savage realities of the outside world:

Some parents have said they are concerned that the recently opened Helen Diller playground in Dolores Park lacks a fence to keep out dogs, which can scare, chase or hurt their children.

Andre Kellerman, a neighbor who lives opposite the park, said she recently saw a pit bull wandering in the playground.

“It was just running aimlessly through the playground and it knocked down a toddler as it went though,” she said […]

Jana Thompson, another neighbor living close to Dolores Park, also saw the incident. To her, it feels as though “dogs have taken precedence over kids” in Dolores Park. Several neighbors have written to both the San Francisco Recreation and Park Department and district Supervisor Scott Wiener.


To Scott Wiener's credit, he thinks the people crying for a border fence are 'fucking dumb' (or, to quote, “The playground, he said, is 'an asset to the park,' and 'radically changing its design' would be inappropriate.”)  However, Dolores Park's manager wants to “keep the option to put up a fence” and quasi-community organization Dolores Park Works thinks a small fence “may be a good idea.”

And, sure, the fence “may be a good idea,” but it would cost money and divide the park and make throwing big events more difficult and generally suck.  Instead, why not enact a city ordinance mandating that parents leash their children so our beloved pups can run around without fear of bumping into some unattended biped?

So vote for me this November 6th.  For the unleashed children.

[Mission Local | Photo by Niall Kennedy]

Comments (47)

“So why not enact a city ordinance mandating that parents leash their children so our beloved pups can run around without fear of bumping into some unattended biped?”

Um, because it’s a PLAYGROUND?! for CHILDREN? Come on. Wake up and grow up.

Shouldn’t they be fencing in the dog area if the dogs are the problem?

said the girl with no children

Fact: The 2010 Census cites 108,000 children while the SF ASPCA says there are at least 200,000 dogs. Says the woman with neither. But I do enjoy the dogs more.

I was at the park the other day and I saw wolverines landing in space ships that were abducting gawd’s precious angels (aka children aka the products of reckless fornication) (just ask Ross Mirkarimi) .

The Board of Supervisors should consider installing Ronald Reagan era Star Wars Defense Systems to keep the aliens out.

No expense is too great to protect the children we pretend to care about.

maybe it’s really more about dog shit than crazy dogs knocking kids over? most fenced-in playgrounds in SF do not allow dogs. dogs and kids don’t necessarily mix. and now i am out of this conversation because none of these children have children so therefore can’t really comment intelligently.

People who don’t have children should automatically have their views discounted? It’s THAT attitude that makes me automatically discount the views of many of the “breeders” in SF.

If it wasnt for breeders, you wouldnt be here.

Most parks in this city, including Dolores, are not legal for off-leash. Many dog owners ignore this, and it’s generally tolerated by all. So remember this fact when you start bitching about this. Keep your dog out of the playground and there’s no issue.

Sorry, I stand corrected. MOST of Dolores Park is not legal for off-leash. Dogs do go off-leash throughout the park, regardless if it’s a designated off-leash area, and most people generally tolerate this. My original statement stands = keep your dog out of the play area and everyone is happy.

The rest of my statement is true, BTW, MOST parks are not legal for off-leash. I live right next to Precita Park which has signs at every entrance saying “Dogs Welcome On-Leash Only” and the entire lawn is basically an off-leash play area. Because most of the dog owners are responsible, everyone in the neighborhood tolerates this. It’s not an entitlement, though. Same goes for Dolores. All anyone needs to do is complain to the police and you get a ticket. Most people don’t do that. So take it easy. I’m not in favor of a fence around the playground in Dolores either, but civility is the only thing that will prevent it from happening.

Wrong. Dolores allows dogs to be off leash.

Dogs off leash in most of the park is illegal just like cold beer cold water seller is illegal.

I prefer they leave James alone, and leave the off leash dog’s alone. But if I had to choose, I’d say I like to buy beer, and some dogs and owners have bothered me

Yeah Bro tell it bro we need more kids to give this city the suburban feel that you bring to it , bro man or bro dude

Kids poop in their diapers, dogs poop on the ground.

Tell the SFPD stormtroopers to ticket dog owners who let their mangy curs run off leash and we’ll all be happier.

Tell SFPD Stormtroopers to ticket parents who can’t use birth control and unleash their useless, non tax paying spawn off leash and we’ll all be happier.

Hipsters: we don’t want children in San Francisco, but we do want their playground equipment!

Kids pay taxes. At least, as soon as they’re old enough to get/spend an allowance, anyway. But, even for kids that don’t get/spend an allowance, their parents are paying taxes on the things they buy for the kids.

So, y’know, taxes are gettin’ paid.

I have a 3 year old that uses the playground a lot. He’s been knocked down by a loose dog at the playground.
More kids will be knocked down. some kid will eventually be bitten.
That said, a fence is wrong.
The park is supposed to bring people together.

Shit happens. People who are too stupid to control their dogs will let them in the fenced area anyway.

There are lots of fenced playgrounds nearby for parents who can’t handle the thought of dogs and kids.

Don’t listen to these scaredy-cat parents.

Thank you. You sound like a great parent! I’ve noticed that helicopter parents who freak out about dogs coming near their children raise children who freak out around dogs and behave in ways that are begging for a biting. The smart thing to do is to teach your children that dogs are not scary and that it’s OK to be relaxed and act normally around them, as well as to read dog body language and not to, for example, walk up and smack a dog that’s clearly telegraphing “don’t touch me.”

There’s a couple of dogs who come into a local bar. The dogs are fine, I introduced myself and petted them. But this 20 something kid freaked out about the dogs. He was very scared. He thought he would get bit. Some people, jeez.

There are way too many freaked-out parents in San Francisco. I thought it was because they tend to be older here but now being very old myself with 2 kids under 3 I can’t figure it out. I’m more worried for these poor kids mental health than anything else. You can’t subject them to that much stress and have them turn out ok.

These parents need to stop the fucking coffee, look up from their iPhones and stop reading hysterical posts on Bernal Parents list. Play with your kids and teach them how to coexist in the city. It’s your job.

how did the dogs knock the child down? I have trouble believing that he’s playing at a playground, but is somehow is uncoordinated enough to have dogs knock him over and maul him…

Things I could give a shit about: kids, their parents, and the self entitlement they spew. there’s a reason many people live here - it’s because this city has the least amount of kids evar, omg, and it’s great. No sniveling brats or asshole teens clogging up shit. Fuck ‘em and fuck their parents too. Just because they had to spew their juices to make themselves a little mini-me doesn’t mean I have to fucking pay for it.

Please cite a real example of how you’ve been inconvenienced by a child. I’m genuinely curious as to what kind of experience could lead to such unhinged vitriol.

don’t feed the troll.

yeah only jack ass twenty somethings

I have come to like waist high fenced in playgrounds. They have one in the civic center that I take a our summer camp kids to and it really helps keeping folks out who may not be in the kids best interests. It also keeps the kids in. And when they are all running around that is a nice feeling to know they only have a couple of ways to exit. And there is a sign at the door that says no adults without children - I guess it’s an SF ordinance. Plus kids and dogs can be erratic and that would be bad day for everyone concerned if a kid got in the way of a dog. Unfortunately, accidents happen. There has already been $40,000 in damage to this new playground so an attempt at keeping adults from passing thru or hanging out might be best.

The fact that a brand new playground could have $40,000 in damages to it in less than a month (right?) probably means the design wasn’t right for the kind of park it was put in, or that perhaps said park isn’t the most appropriate place for a playground in the first place.

What “kind of park” was the playground put in? Dolores Park is the biggest park in a neighborhood with one of the City’s densest concentrations of children. If that’s not an appropriate place to put a playground, then where is?

I DUNNO! All I’m saying is they should’ve either built a more durable, tougher park, or that the neighborhood, while may being the “biggest park in a neighborhood with one of the city’s densest concentrations of children” (a statement I don’t think is necessarily true, there are probably more kids in the more suburban-y areas of the city, but whatever), isn’t a candidate for a very nice looking, easily vandalized, designer park.

If you have to wall the shit out of the park to keep it kid friendly, it’s not the right spot for a kid friendly park. If you have to run out hundreds of people who have been using the park for a long time to do all the SF-friendly things we pay all this rent for to be able to do like drink adult beverages in the sun, sunbathe with few clothes on, etc in order for it to be kid friendly, it’s not the right spot for a kid friendly park. Sorry.

I wouldn’t worry about it. The playground is only getting this much attention because it’s new, and therefore crowded because San Franciscans are neophiles.

You must be smart. You used a big word! Congrats! Thread over, I think we can all agree. He wins.

As much as the nutjob (not all, but definitely some!) parents in this city drive me crazy, I have to agree that a low barrier might be useful – not only will it keep dogs out, but keep kids in (I can’t be the only one who’s been nearly tripped by toddlers screeching around the park, and their rolling down the hill has nearly destroyed those new grass plantings). However, a better option than a fence would be a hedgerow of low shrubbery, or something like that. Something adults could easily step over, but would provide discouragement (not a barrier) to crossing.

I don’t understand why it is so hard to watch your kids! I have 7 nieces and nephews under the age of 5. When we take them to the park in SF, my husband and I watch them so that they don’t get attacked my rabid dogs or homeless people. Of course, I do think there’s some value to putting up a small fence to keep the kids from running off (and me having to chase them down), but I still think the simplest solution would be… to watch your kids.

said the woman with no kids.

Honestly all this hipster vs parent bullshit is just that. Bullshit.

ALMOST EVERYONE in Dolores park gets along just fine, despite the efforts of local loudmouths to declare otherwise.

I got your drift, Kevin, I was mainly referring to some of the other comments on this post.

Tell it bro man you da man bro

You’d think the proposal was to build the Berlin Wall, based on some of these comments.

An electric fence makes everybody happy. Talking 220 volts, btw.

I hope a fart zone is proposed. I can’t stand when people contaminate my area with ass air.

I guess it is time to get enraged about proposals. Very SF. I fully support a fence around the existing playground. The excuse of “keeping dogs out” is a lame one. I would like it because, as a parent, that playground is HUGE and it is hard to keep your eye on your kid as they are running around, as kids do, with a mountain structure making it impossible to keep a visible eye at all times - especially when you have more than one kid in tow.

How this would “prevent events” from happening - dividing the park - more nonsense. It should be a fence around the playground as it exists in EVERY OTHER playground in the city. It would no more divide the park than the playground itself does.

That all being said, we love the new playground; we have no issue with anyone else in the park (although we avoided the pot-smoke-fog on 4/20-trash-the-park day). I do wish the high school kids would not come an hog the swings after school. Why? Because they are in freaking high school. The playground isn’t designed for them. Do I get on their case? No, I just force them to share.

The extremists take sides and refuse to budge. The rest of us just enjoy the park.

There was never a fence around the old playground and it actually had some sand in it to attract the dogs to do their filthy business. Why is this suddenly an issue? Was the old playground a little too ghetto for some parents?

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