Folsom Street Now Has Bike Lanes!

It's been a year since the city discussed putting bike lanes allll the way down Folsom Street, and after a year of anticipation, the city has finally gotten around to painting those lanes.  So now—praise be to Allah—we can ride our bikes straight from Homestead to the Embarcadero unencumbered by turns.

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Nice! They’re still on the wrong side of the parking lane, but, y’know, better than nothing!

excuse me? the wrong side? what other side is there? the sidewalk? Bikes BELONG in the road. look at the mess created in GGP with the bike lanes on the right side of parked cars. this is all getting very silly, Taking bikes out of the flow of traffic only allows cars to speed down our streets, creating more dangers for pedistrains,cars and cyclist. Share the road.

I believe Mr. Deth Vegetable refers to Physically Separated Bike lanes, as they exist in most European cities as well as in New York City (example: http://www.nycbikemaps.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/9th-avenue-bike-la…)

In this layout, you have the sidewalk, then bike lane, then parked cars, then car traffic.

Honestly the photo in the link above isn’t the greatest example, but you get the idea. It keeps bikes, cars, and pedestrians separate and safe.

Physically-separated bike lanes are a myth. They are fine in the middle of a block but bikes still have to interact with car traffic at every intersection, and with separated lanes the bikes and cars are approaching each other from unexpected locations and directions when this happens. Imagine if every intersection involving bike lanes had to be set up like Masonic & Fell, but with a separated north-south bike lane thrown in as well. The safest place for bikes to be is in regular lanes acting like cars.

Naw. I lived and rode on physically separated bike lanes pretty much every day for five years while I was living in Europe. They were great. Safer for everyone involved. Only time I ever saw a bike/car accident is when some bicyclists were too impatient to deal with the flow of traffic in bike lanes and instead decided to ride in the street. To be clear, they were ENTITLED to ride in the street, it’s just a much more dangerous place to be.

San Francisco’s streets aren’t populated with european drivers.

Are you arguing that drivers here are somehow better than in Europe? Or somehow worse?

Is it possible to be different without being “better” or “worse”? Can American drivers be better at some things and worse at others than Europeans? Or vice versa? How about the cyclists? Is it better to be judgement-oriented or non-judgemental. Somehow I think there is value in both, but the way you phrase your questions seems to imply that there are only two possible answers.

Yeah. Fuck it. Stick with the status quo! Resist any change!

Riding in the Netherlands was awesome. The separated bike lanes and forced right of way was incredible.

Yup. Bingo.

The problem with parking separated bike lanes is that you have to remove parking in advance of any curb cut so that there is adequate sight distance to see cyclists for turning cars. There are so many curb cuts in SF that parking separated bike lanes would in effect remove most of the parking on the street. If the parking is removed, there is no parking buffer.

I used to go out of my way to ride on Folsom because it DIDN’T have bike lanes – you could take up the whole right lane, drivers were surprisingly cool with it, and I felt very safe. This was to escape Valencia, which is a shitshow with all the double parking, right turning cars, and erratic pulling in and out of parking spots with no blinkers. And drivers get ANGRY when bikes are in THEIR lane when there is a BIKE lane, regardless of whether it is completely unusable. So now this on Folsom.

Let’s be done with pretending that bike lanes are the epitome of bike-friendliness and start painting sharrows in the middle of lanes and get the police to actually enforce traffic laws (speed, reckless driving, etc). As P.D. Bird said, separate but equal is ridiculous and just legitimizes what impatient drivers want: for bikes to get the hell out of their way so they don’t have to share the road.

Or, y’know, just give Bicycles their own, separated lanes. That way the bikers have a safe, speedy lane of their own where they don’t have to deal with roadraging asshole drivers, and the drivers get their own lanes where they can drive as fast as they want to (or, at least, are legally allowed to) and don’t have to deal with self-righteous asshole bicyclists. Everybody wins.

sounds great; everybody wins except:

1) bicyclists in intersections
2) bicyclists on all the other streets without dedicated lanes
3) pedestrians

What SF needs is Traffic Calming and Law Enforcement. I lived in Amsterdam for a year and loved it, but it’s not the dedicated lanes that make it a pleasant and safe place to ride, it’s that the asshole drivers can’t rage at all – the road design doesn’t allow it, and it’s so freaking inconvenient to drive that nobody is stupid enough to do it. The streets in SF encourage raging because they look like freeways and there is ZERO visible enforcement of traffic laws.

How do you figure? In my five years over there as a daily bicyclist, I never saw any accidents with drivers turning into bicyclists that were coming out of their separated lanes. The only car-bike accidents were with bikes that were sharing traffic lanes with cars. And bicyclists on streets that lack dedicated lanes would be no worse off than they are already. And how do pedestrians even come into it? Why would dedicated bike lanes separated from automobile traffic impact pedestrians one way or the other?

All I’m saying is that separated bike lanes work, and they work well. They’re safer for everyone involved. That being said, there are absolutely logistical problems, as some other people have mentioned, in terms of construction of the lanes. But, really, I guess it all comes down to how much we, as a society, value the safety, efficiency and convenience that dedicated bike lanes embody.

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