Dolores Park Neighbors Want Astroturf Soccer Field to be Installed in Park

Categorized: Dolores Park, Sports

The recent Dolores Park renovation meetings have been fairly vanilla thus far: lots of calls for more bathrooms, some concerns about preserving the "historic" nature of the park, cries for more benches at the top of the hill, and demands to solve the trash issue.  However, a strange and surprising action item as been discussed at length: astroturfing the flats known as Tallboy Terrace to make for a youth soccer field.

One member of the Dolores Park Renovation Steering Committee, the group tasked with advocating for the wants of Dolores Park users and neighbors, explains the astroturf proposal:

The Soccer Community is definitely proposing to install some type of heavy duty artificial turf adjacent to the tennis courts in Dolores Park, similar to what is already in use in numerous municipal dog parks and zoos all over the USA.

Frankly, there is no natural grass on earth that can survive the continuous use that a 190' x 270' flat spot in Dolores Park will receive if it is not fenced, not to mention 8,000 people for Mime Troupe performances and 15,000 people assembling periodically for demonstrations or marches to Market Street.

Please keep an open mind regarding artificial turf. Because with no fence, that is the ONLY solution to the severe wear problem in that particular section of Dolores Park. The trick is to make it look as natural as possible so that when it's being used for something other than soccer, it just sort of disappears when there are few hundred people on top of it.

Perhaps the proposal isn't that absurd.  Back in the early 90s, there was a long, nasty public debate about leveling the grassy knoll just south of the tennis courts (pictured above) for youth soccer games.  After years of debate, the field was finally approved in April 1994.  From the SF Chronicle:

After months of debate, San Francisco Recreation and Park commissioners agreed on the size of an athletic field in Mission Dolores Park, disappointing some nearby residents but pleasing soccer fans.

Although the controversial field was approved last year, park administrators have spent months trying to forge a compromise between soccer enthusiasts and neighborhood residents who wanted the park to remain as it is.

Yesterday, the commission sided with soccer supporters and voted 4 to 2 to approve a field measuring 270 by 180 to 190 feet, including buffer zones. In doing so, they rejected a staff recommendation for a 180-by-240-foot field.

Although the area is intended to be used by youth soccer teams, the space will also be available for picnics. Officials said the field could be ready sometime next year.

By Dec. 1996, drainage and soil problems turned the soccer field into "Dolores Park Lake," the project was deemed a failure, and youth soccer games were permanently moved out of the park.

Soccer advocates have identified the 2012 renovation as an opportunity to get reclaim the space that was allocated to them decades ago, demanding renovation funds be allocated to making the field usable for children for years to come.  Maybe they're right; there's a known shortage of playable soccer fields in and around the Mission, and the city officially gave them the space years ago to give children something in Dolores Park that wasn't "drugs and crime."

On the other hand, Dolores Park today is not the violent, drug-dealing epicenter that it was in the 90s.  Now, it's a national treasure used by 1.3 million people every year.  On a nice weekend, it's hard to find a place to sit on "the soccer field;" on a fantastic weekend, it's even worse.  "The soccer field" is home to concerts, art installations, slip-n-slides, protests, dyke marches, cultural celebrations, dog contests, underground commerce, games of catch and cornhole, trampoline parties, picnics, and everyday whimsy.  There's no doubt that children need positive places to get outside and play sports, but is it really appropriate to flip the script on all these other people who love the park?

The soccer advocates claim the astroturf field will "blend in" with the surroundings, will be great for multipurpose usage on weekends by picnickers, dogs, musicians, protesters, and whomever else shows up to the party, and won't need to be fenced in.  Others, including a man responsible for maintaining the field at AT&T Park, suggests the field will be uncomfortably hot on sunny days, will be impossible to maintain unless it is fenced off, requires an ugly concrete barrier between the rubber grass and the real grass, and won't be as "multipurpose" as some suggest.  Plus, there's a brand new astroturf soccer field being constructed less than two blocks away at Mission Playground.

What do you think?  Is it time to give the children what they were promised 17 years ago, or should the park remain the way it has been for years?

There's a meeting tonight at 6:30 to discuss the proposed rubber soccer field at the Mission High School Cafeteria.  I can't promise the meeting will be productive, but it should produce some MTV-level drama.

[All names redacted at the request of DP Renovation Steering Committee head]

Comments

Clint's picture

It probably won't be "astroturf" as you probably know it. The old astroturf was basically a green carpet over concrete. What they'd likely use is generally called "field turf", which is made of thousands and thousands of little rubber pellets (usually recycled from tires) and green shoots of material poking through them. This is more expensive, but it's also softer, safer and much more resilient than astroturf and much more likely to blend in with the grass more seamlessly.

It's also essentially the standard these days for any artificial playing surface. Nobody puts in actual astroturf anymore.

You are absolutely correct, they are proposing "field turf." I merely used astroturf as a genericized trademark. Like "band-aid" instead of "adhesive bandage" or "dumpster" instead of "front loader waste container" -- it's more recognizable.

Anonymous Coward's picture

So what if a dog shits and pisses on it? It's ruined forever.

SCUM's picture

I would love to see a soccer field if only for the reason it would be rad to watch hipsters get taken out by misplaced kicks.

GG's picture

I think this could be one of those rare situations where astroturf is actually a good idea. I think the idea of a soccer field is silly and would take up too much valuable park space, but installing astroturf in some of the sitting-around areas would increase access by opening up areas that are often off-limits due to the fact that they're basically giant mud puddles, especially in spring.

Before taking this step, however, I'd like the parks department to consider perhaps other, more hardy ground cover than grass. Clover and other plants generally considered weeds can really take a beating, for example.

Anonymous Coward's picture

The entire park is a giant mud puddle, always. Drainage is a serious problem and I hope it gets fixed properly with the renovation.

db's picture

All turf fields have strict no food or drink policies (not even sports drinks) as they don't just absorb into the ground like they do with grass. This is a terrible idea for a place where people hang out and eat and drink.

Anonymous Coward's picture

And where hundreds of dogs roam daily

ns's picture

As anyone who has played soccer on field turf can attest, those little rubber balls stick to everything (specifically clothing)--they even manage to get inside your shoes and stick to your socks. I was on an intramural soccer team five years ago that played on field turf, and I still have socks with little pieces of rubber stuck all over them (and I swear that's not because of my laundry habits).

I can see this being a definite downside for picnic-goers, in addition to the aforementioned food & drink issues. Girl, I don't want rubber shit gettin all over my cute picnic skirt.

Tar Baby's picture

This reminds me of swimming in the Gulf of Mexico in the 80s. You'd come out of the water to discover that your suit became a tar baby butterfly net. As you swim, tar floats into the suit, catches at the snug parts, and then you come out with big, black wads of coagulated oil spill adhered to your skin and clothes. Into the bathroom with lighter fluid on cotton balls to rub it off. Those were the days! We can look forward to them at Dolores Park.

Anonymous Coward's picture

Who the hell swims in the Gulf of Mexico??

Anybody foolish enough to do that deserves whatever comes to them.

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable's picture

You are a crazyperson. Tons of people swim in the Gulf of Mexico. It's fucking HOT down there.

Primo del Primero's picture

Before the, "Oh yeah, we want this!" crowd jumps all over this, you may want to visit Franklin Square field and see this stuff for yourselves; it's not as user-friendly as you may think.

Chris R.'s picture

My experience with artificial turf is that is smells and increases the ambiant temperature when the sun is shinning. I dont have kids so I dont want this to happen. Though I do like to play soccer. I mean football.

dpclean's picture

While the soccer advocates do have a strong point that this space was allocated to them, (there is more to the leveling the soccer field and its failure than was reported in the Chronicle), there are now too many people in the park to play soccer here..

Plus the addition of the turf soccer field at Mission Playground will be a great addition. There was some high quality soccer games at that park. If you could play, or even just to watch. After some of the neighborhood shootings, we wanted to get some police presence in the park. And the Mission Station caption, came up with the idea of the Mission Police soccer team playing in the same league as the mostly Latino, and a few random European player league at the park. It was good entertainment, and quality play. I wish that league would start up again.

Mission Playground has some great features. When it is windy at Dolores, it is often calm at Mission Playground. An outdoor pool. It used to have some great staff, and hopefully when it reopens, it will again. Mission Playground was a good playground spot for families with kids. Chris Daly used to throw elbows when playing basketball there before he got into throwing elbows in politics. Mission Playground is supposed to reopen in a year. Check it out then.

dpclean's picture

Remember the old days. One year the league final was between the police team, and if I remember Ti Cous (I can't spell, but you know that place that used to sell French Crepes on 16th near Valencia) There were hundreds of people out there to watch that final, and some heavy fouling going on.

chalkman's picture

so, what happened at the meeting?

I don't think before I type's picture

Wow...Dumb idea. A decade-old decision that didn't get acted upon shouldn't be guiding park development today. Mission playground will get a field, rendering the Dolores park soccer field requirement (and original grounds for the old request) moot. Statute of limitations has expired.

Next!

ALS-CPI's picture

It's going to be natural grass - hopefully with good drainage and a little extra maintenance. The most expensive part of the renovation is the drainage system that they failed to install back in 1995.

How the field gets used will depend on what reservations and permits are issued.
With no fence, the only restriction on use will be scheduling by SF Rec & Park Reservations.

It would be nice if the SFPD would remove the Crack smokers from Dolores Park, almost certainly the cause of the recent uptick in robberies, burglaries & car breakins.

Andrew Solow
Past President and Co-Founder
Mission Youth Soccer League (MYSL)
San Francisco, CA 94131
Cell 415-722-3047

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